Why
is French Post-War philosophy so pretentious and pointless?
“Dude,
culture isn't real, language isn't real, your desires aren't real,
capitalism and institutions are evil and life is meaningless anyways”
“Derrida
was jewish, not French.”
“Too
hid yet commercialized at the same time.”
“babby
brainlet is afraid of the destruction of his spooks”
“Ethnicity
doesn't matter, Derrida was still strongly rooted in french
philosophy (structuralism)”
“Continental
philosophy seems to produce a lot of rapey sex criminals. Sam Kriss
being the latest one.”
“What?
Of course it matters. Jews think very differently than Europeans.”
“Derrida's
work is but a continuation of levi-strauss' work on structuralism “
“Whenever
I hear/read this word as an argument against something, I
automatically discount the person.”
“Well,
they had to make a living somehow.”
“It
is pretentious. the writing of lacan, derrida, baudrillard, to name
only few offenders, is unnecessarily overblown, complex and verbose.”
“who
is Etienne Gilson?
who
is Pierre Boutang?
who
is Michel Henry?
who
is Philippe Nemo?
who
is Rémi Brague?
who
is Gustave Thibon?
who
is Pierre Magnard?
who
is Maurice Clavel?
who
is Louis Jugnet?
who
is Roland Dalbiez?
who
is Gabriel Marcel?
If
you only know the shit side of French contemporary philosophy please
shut up.”
“He
is a jew too you dip”
“Strauss
was also a jew. See, how can you expect to understand these ideas
when you don't understand the people who present them?”
“Fine,
ferdinand de saussure was white, barthes was white, foucault was
white”
“Barthes
was a disgusting pederast and Foucault was a degenerate HIV positive
fag sadomasochist.”
“So?”
“Again,
you don't understand the dynamic here. Stop thinking about ideas as
abstract transfers between different peoples with equal capabilities
and take a page from Foucault and understand them as things prone to
manipulation by power entities, the main one here being jews. These
non-jews are cogs advancing jewish interests.”
“There's
a YouTube series by a retired professor called "Deleuze for the
desperate" in which he tries to explain Deleuze's philosophy and
make it more intelligible. At a certain point he claims that Deleuze
wrote his books with that overcomplicated style because his audience
were other academics, people who could understand the text. To say it
in another way: he literally didn't want brainless to read him. My
theory is that he saw what happened with Nietzsche (Nietzsche is one
of his main philosophical influence) and the hordes of pseuds
misinterpreting his work and he didn't want the same to happen to
him. He also probably didn't want to turn down his writing just so
more people could understand him. It makes perfect sense if you
consider that Nietzsche was also a huge elitist and hated plebs.
Anyway,
Foucault isn't hard to read nor obscure.”
“...smug
atheists flailing around in the dark, the blind leading the blind,
they have no mouth but they must scream, aids, aids everywhere.”
“French
people are crypto kikes”
So
my threshold for agreeing with someone's intellectual arguments is my
willingness to share a bathtub with them.
That
is why pic related is the gold standard of philosophical inquiry.
“I'm
a little upset that none of Charles Maurras' works have been
translated into English.”
“your
hyperbole is neither funny or accurate tbqh”
“They
were right though. Europe is OVER and has been since the conclusion
of WWI”
“These
thinkers themselves played their part in dissolution of nationalist
supremacy thinking, which is probably a good thing”
“Avicenna's
soul brother.”
“How
you could say that's a good thing given the state of France today?”
“France
looks like it does today precisely because its nationalism, which led
to colonialism. they should've never tried to conquer and assimilate
the maghreb.”
“L'avenir
de l'intelligence a été traduit en anglais (The Future of the
Intelligentsia)”
“You
must be retarded or non-white or both. High IQ first world people
building infrastructure and extracting resources from places with
people who are functionally incapable of doing so themselves is not
the same as squatting as a welfare recipient.”
“Colonialism
ultimately created the ties between the maghreb and continental
france, which would lead to mutual immigration.”
“Those
ties only explain to what country they want to migrate, not why they
wanted or felt themselves in the right of mass migrating in the first
place”
“Derrida
is pure fucking evil.”
“while
i wouldn't call myself an expert on post-war french philosophy (my
field of study is mostly confined to German philosophy, pre- and
post-war), i do know a little bit, especially as regards Foucault.
what
i've read of french philosophy has taught me that they are definitely
pretentious, but that fact in itself is not enough to discount the
content of the philosophy that is propounded in their work. the
attempts to undo the debasement and domination of the heretofore
tradition are viewed as necessities, and one way to accomplish that
feat is to fight against the established notions of language and
argumentative strategy. if your only gripe with the french
philosophers is the way they speak, you're arguing from very fragile
ground and, i would argue, you're displaying a rather pathetic
adherence to a tradition which has proved detrimental to authentic
existence.
all
of these french philosophers are indebted to nietzsche and heidegger,
both as positive influences, and strong argumentative pillars which
one should attempt to chip away at, if one is to establish oneself as
a force to be reckoned with in the philosophical world. many of them,
as well, are fighting against the sartrean epidemic which poisoned a
lot of philosophical thought, as his system is based on an
amphetamine-fuelled misreading of heidegger.
tl;dr:
don't bash content based on form or you've struck fool's gold”
“Nothing
is mutual in this relationship. You're comparing a high IQ, high
functioning group of Europeans and a low IQ, low functioning group of
semites.”
“they
do explain acceptance for maghrebian immigrants. the franco-algerian
war divided the maghreb into supporters of france and arab
nationalists. the former were the ones who were invited to france.”
“IQ,
especially national mean IQ, is the best measure of not just
intelligence, but of ability to achieve as well. Not even a debate on
it.”
“going
by national mean iq, italy should be wealthier and more successful in
scientific departments than germany.
clearly
not the case.”
“Take
a statistics course you disgustingly statistical ignoramus.”
“Really?
Italy has a north-south racial split, with the northern, more
Germanic states being far more productive. Do you have any idea what
you're talking about here?”
“French
philosophy has awful form and meaningful content. You gotta look for
them golden nuggets of Heidegger below all the shit. You can find a
lot of necessary criticisms on the establishment in Baudrillard for
example, notably if you care about the influence of ads and
consumerism, but it sounds so desperately pretentious that sometimes
you just want to put it down. Even then, there is content to be
acquired there.”
“northern
italy still doesn't hold a candle to most of germany. in germany, the
south is the more successful region, despite having more immigrants
and less "germanic" genes.”
“yeah,
that is my main concern with baudrillard's writing. it's written like
something that places style above content.”
“Always
the same fucking shit replies when someone says poststructuralism.
I'm getting tired of this bullshit, foucault derrida or something.
I'll hear about this in the near future.”
“As
Richard Lynn and others subsequently have shown, the most important
indicator of a nation's success is mean IQ. Your webmd articles mean
jack shit.”
“"Success"
is measured in sale of dildos and nigger ooga booga music so I
wouldn't really consider it a very worthwhile goal.”
“southern
germany > northern germany > northern italy > southern italy
something
doesn't fit your pattern of south/north divide here.
germany
is also wealthier than most of the uk, a "whiter" nation.”
“The
north south divide is in Italy, there is very little difference
between north and south Germany. IQ is the best indicator of success,
period, and it's easy to understand and quantify along racial lines.”
“italy
has a higher average iq than germany, as far as i know. so does
mongolia. they're still nowhere as successful.”
"Northern
Germany" is poorer than Southern Germany solely because it
contains the formerly Communist Eastern Germany in it. So, unless the
guy you are arguing with said that iq is the sole factor in success,
your argument falls down on its face rather quick.
“Neither
Italy nor Mongolia has a higher average IQ than Germany, wtf are you
talking about? I must assume you are black if you're missing the mark
by this much.”
“your
statement has no more weight than: my mom said you're a nigger”
“that's
not the case. the south of germany is noticeably wealthier than the
central and northern parts, which always were capitalist, as well.”
“unless
i'm arguing with someone who claims that iq is the sole factor, i'm
not disagreeing with him/her.”
“i
took the first source i could find, which places italy and mongolia
above germany
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country
which
is yours?”
“I
would like to see your source on that. I am no expert but, from what
I recall, the most prosperous regions of Germany where north-western
ones like North Rhine-Westphalia.”
“Illiterate”
“>sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289609000634?via%3Dihub
>On
the basis of several reviews of the literature, Lynn [Lynn, R.,
(2006). Race differences in intelligence: An evolutionary analysis.
Augusta, GA: Washington Summit Publishers.] and Lynn and Vanhanen
[Lynn, R., & Vanhanen, T., (2006). IQ and global inequality.
Augusta, GA: Washington Summit Publishers.] concluded that the
average IQ of the Black population of sub-Saharan Africa lies below
70. In this paper, the authors systematically review published
empirical data on the performance of Africans on the following IQ
tests: Draw-A-Man (DAM) test, Kaufman-Assessment Battery for Children
(K-ABC), the Wechsler scales (WAIS & WISC), and several other IQ
tests (but not the Raven's tests). Inclusion and exclusion criteria
are explicitly discussed. Results show that average IQ of Africans on
these tests is approximately 82 when compared to UK norms. We provide
estimates of the average IQ per country and estimates on the basis of
alternative inclusion criteria. Our estimate of average IQ converges
with the finding that national IQs of sub-Saharan African countries
as predicted from several international studies of student
achievement are around 82. It is suggested that this estimate should
be considered in light of the Flynn Effect. It is concluded that more
psychometric studies are needed to address the issue of measurement
bias of western IQ tests for Africans.
>racialreality.blogspot.mx/2011/08/devastating-criticism-of-richard-lynn.html
For
the papers without needing to buy them
You
truly are an ADHD addled nigger aren't you? You propose these heavy
claims but you have never even bothered to objectively analyze your
own autismo deductions just because you were titillated by a /pol/
post paired with a pepe or something”
“This
says Italy and Germany have the same (102) and puts Mongolia at 98.
Mongolia has some weird nomadic spatial IQ boost but is low in other
areas. As another poster said, east Germany has a communist hangover
and as I said southern Italy and Sicily especially weighs down the
northern Italian average, which is to say, as I've been saying from
the start, that IQ is and ability is based on race.
“Nevermind.
I just checked it and I am wrong. The most well off part of the
country is Schleswig-Holstein in the extreme north of the country
followed by Bavaria in the south.
So
we were both wrong.”
“riddle
me this: is zionism a capitalist plot, or is capitalism a zionist
plot”
“Neither,
because capitalism has nothing to do with it.”
“You
must have replied to the wrong person because I'm not saying Africans
don't have low IQs and aren't dysfunctional: they do and are, and
this is due to race.”
“so
now we established that italy is performs far worse than germany
despite similar iq, and that northern italy, which is even above
italy and germany in general, is still poorer than germany.”
“Blatantly
wrong you nigger, a lot of the workforce in northern Italy is
composed by southern immigrants and their descendants. You're
completely retarded if you think that the average genetic difference
between a southern and a northern Italian is relevant”
“Did
you read it in French?”
“No,
you're the retard I intended to reply to. Please read the green text
repeatedly until your low cognitive abilities are able to grasp the
overarching general argument and criticism of your propagandist idol
that preyed on people without education, such as yourself.
Once
again, please kill yourself and attempt to pick up on basic reading
comprehension skills.”
“no.
i would've loved to be born as french native speaker, but i wasn't.”
“This
is the only picture of Foucault I've ever seen and I always thought
he was black.. how embarrassing of me”
“it's
not all bad, but the French have idealized Le
Penseur
to
an unusual extent.
intellectuals
play a much larger role in public life than they do in Anglosphere,
which should be a good thing, but as a consequence there's an arms
race to look like the smartest guy in the room
anyway
that's my dumb opinion”
“Seems
more that certain regions in Germany perform worse due to recent
economic/cultural (and probably Slavic, i.e., racial) factors and
certain regions in Italy perform worse due to racial factors. Sicily
has 10% semitic admixture which causes them to be less intelligent
and more violent. IQ is based on race though, that's the underlying
point here.”
“For
some reason people think that pretentious = bad as if axiomatic that
pretentious work can't be good.”
“It
absolutely is relevant and groups like the Lombards are more
successful due to their racial makeup.”
“>says
africans have low IQ
>fails
to understand an explicit statement and study
How
the fuck are you talking about these things but misunderstood the
study? The fucking irony of it is as depressing as it is hilarious
what
a fucking nigger”
“nah,
that's desperate bullshit coming from you, son. the wealthiest
regions of germany (nrw, bavaria, baden-wurttemberg) have the highest
number of immigrants -- by far, while the poorest (in the east) have
the least.”
“I
did read it, and since it confirms what I'm saying I can only assume
you're an idiot.”
“Who's
talking about immigrants? We're talking about race and IQ. Of course
immigrants are going to flock to the wealthiest regions of a
country.”
“The
implication is pseudo-profundity”
“Your
cognitive ability is like a 7 year old's, but if you still think
after reading that it confirms what you're saying then you're a moron
beyond any help. An actual nigger is more apt than you. The only
solution for you is to be lined up against a wall and shot so you
stop being a burden to any type of discourse.”
“Do
you have a steam/plebbit/jewtube page or something? You're like a
character from a Confederacy of Dunces and I want to know to find out
more about the habits of severely autistic person.”
“Molyneux
and Milo Rastapopoulos
Neither
of them are American.”
“By
stating that the reason Africans score low on intelligence tests is
because of bias, you're only confirming your own stupidity.”
“Yes,
it is.”
“I
can't believe it
how
do you manage to tie your shoes?”
“Richard
Spencer and Styx then”
“You
are a weak thinker, this is not anyone else's fault.”
“Did
you realize at some point that you're a retard and doubled down on it
out of shame? Or do you sincerely misinterpret an explicit statement?
Here's
an except from the paper:\
>One
point of critique is that Lynn (and Vanhanen)'s estimate of average
IQ among Africans is primarily based on convenience samples, and not
on samples carefully selected to be representative of a given,
targeted, population
>an
important drawback of Lynn (and Vanhanen)'s reviews of the literature
is that they are unsystematic. Unsystematic literature reviews do not
adhere to systematic methodology to control for potential biases in
the many choices made by the reviewer (Cooper, 1998; Light &
Pillemer, 1984). Lynn (and Vanhanen) failed to explicate the
inclusion and exclusion criteria they employed in their choice of
studies. Such criteria act as a filter, and may thus affect the
estimate of national IQ. Lynn (and Vanhanen) excluded data from
several sources without providing a rationale.
Do
any of these sound like they're in agreement of Lynn? There are
multiples queues that indicate the disagreement with Lynn's
"studies", such as words like "unsystematic literature
reviews" or "criticism" If you do believe so, please
post your address and I'll do you the favor of relieving you of your
self appointed stupidity you dumb ADHD ridden nigger. I can only urge
you to kill yourself for being so dumb and engaging in any type of
conversation.”
“>brainlet
anglo can't understand anything written in a language not watered
down and simplified to the lowest common denominator
I
bet you complain when your math teacher "forces" you to
remember formulas too.”
“Not
only do you engage in discourse like a retard, but your
inconsequential disclaimers are meaningless. Decades of data confirm
what people obviously smarter than yourself know instinctively, which
is that Africans are a dysfunctional race incapable of any type of
respectable level of achievement, and that this fact is due to race
and the evolutionary environment that made them the way they are. To
attribute these facts to test bias is utterly stupid and everyone
knows it.”
“>knowledge
is instinctual
The
cherry on top of the cake. Suicide is your only option.”
“I'm
a philosophy undergrad and I've literally heard only about G. Marcel
of all these.”
“It's
not controversial to say that Africans have low intelligence and as a
result create dysfunctional societies. The main issue here is why are
you two unable to process the facts and accept this reality.”
“Foucault
isn't hard to read nor obscure
Have
you tried reading Order of Things at least once?”
“There
is when people deny it.”
“And
please do explain what's bad about France today?”
“He
fell for the racial egalitarianism everything is environmental
Genotype
doesn't influence behavior or intelligence, just phenotypes
There
is a scientific consensus among neurobiology, genetics, and
anthropology that denies race existing and that it influences
behavior”
“France
is on the brink of becoming a caliphate. Do you pay any attention to
current events?”
“Better
explanation
>Someone
mentioned that Jews aren't Frenchmen
Then
reddit told someone who doesn't hold their own bourgeois values to go
back to racist boards because they are just that sensitive.
Also,
if you have any kind of contradictory opinion to liberalism or
leftism you are a racist and must fuck off back to where you came
from :DDD”
“Are
you joking? Seriously, are you aware of what's happening in western
Europe?”
“You're
lecturing the wrong side here. But anyone who pretends to care about
French literary and philosophical culture should desire to protect
it. I want to protect it. Do you?”
“the
war revealed how pointless reality is”
“You
have severe cognitive bias. I'm not insulting you, but do you have
autism or ADHD? I refuse to acknowledge someone normal is this daft.
Also, you're running in circles.”
“You
just don't understand them. If that's what you got out of a reading
of any major post-war French philosopher, you simply have a poor
understanding of their texts and thought.”
“Can
you explain black dysfunctionality wherever they are, on their home
continent, Haiti, America, etc.? If you cannot you should consider
your own cognitive bias before attempting to point out anyone
else's.”
“You've
already displayed yourself to have a very low cognitive ability and
almost no reading comprehension, why would anyone sane engage with
you in a discussion when you can't grasp the most basic of premises?
Now answer you disgusting subhuman, do you have ADHD or autism?”
“The
humiliating french capitulation in ww2, the dissolution of the french
empire in the 50s must've contributed to the kind of climate that
created existentialism and postmodernism.”
